EP.12 - Moving Forward with a Bridge Job
This episode is the audio access to my class, Moving Forward With a Bridge Job.
I taught this virtual class live in the spring of 2021; I’m sharing it here because a bridge job can be a great step in building an intentional career, and we can all benefit from a perspective shift on bridge jobs. It has been edited from the original for audio context.
I’m your host, Karen Styles, Career + Life Coach and owner of Flow + Fire Coaching. Ready to create your Intentional Career? Schedule a call with me.
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Karen: I’m Karen Styles and this is the Intentional Career Podcast. I talk to all kinds of people who take all kinds of paths to work they love. I'm a career and life coach and owner of Flow +Fire coaching.
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In today's episode, I'm doing something a little bit different and I'm sharing the audio of a class that I gave earlier this spring. And the class was titled, Moving Forward With a Bridge Job.
Sometimes we all need a job that is not our ideal job, but it actually can move us forward in our careers. And I believe that a bridge job can be a part of creating your intentional career. So it's time to remove some of the shame around it and start to explore just what might be available to us if we look a little bit closer at this bridge job option.
I do hope you enjoy listening to this class. And if you have any comments, feel free to send me an email podcast@flowandfire.com Now here's the class, Moving Forward With a Bridge Job.
Welcome, everyone. Thank you so much for being here today for this talk, this small class on moving forward with a bridge job.
I'm really excited that you are here. I think this is a really important topic because there's a lot of people right now that have bridge jobs. There's a lot of people right now that need bridge jobs. And, I think it's really time to be done with the shame of it. And I think shifting our thinking around bridge jobs can really help us move forward in a more productive way.
So, let's talk about it. Let's normalize it and learn about how we can use bridge jobs in a really intentional way to build our careers.
First of all, let me introduce myself. My name is Karen Styles. If you haven't met me before, I think most of you I've met. Maybe you found me on social media, some folks are here from LinkedIn and Facebook and Instagram and my email newsletter, but I'm so glad you're here.
I am a career and life coach. In case you're wondering why I'm not just a career coach, part of that is because sometimes career coach titles get really narrowed to job search. And I really see career coaching as a much bigger look at, what do you want your career to look like within your life? And when people are making changes in their careers, some of the things they encounter, it's not only challenges with the application process or interviewing, but it's also about mindset. Coming up against things in your mind that say, I can't do that. I can't make that change. And that's where life coaching and career coaching really overlap for me. I help folks discover and do work that lights them up. And my website is flowandfire.com. You were probably there to register for this class. So thank you for being here today.
So what we're going to cover today are these main things. First of all, what is a bridge job? Why take a bridge job? What to look for in a bridge job?
Also, I'm going to share with you a couple of the bridge jobs that I've had and how those have been important steps in my career, even though some of them weren't the things that I wanted at the beginning.
Let's look at this first, what is a bridge job?
Now, if you've been following around some of my social media posts, maybe you've seen my definition, but, I would like to hear from you, what do you think is a bridge job?
From my chat here: a role that helps you move from one to another. Yep. What else? Transition. Something to tide you over. Hmm. Yep. Great example. A lesser job than your previous job. Yeah, it might be. Right. It might be. A job that transitions. Great. These are excellent. Backup job.
Here's my definition: A bridge job is a position that you take, even though it's not your dream job, maybe it's not exactly perfect for your career, but you choose to take it anyways and it's usually temporary in some way. And the key is that it moves you from one place to another. And I think that metaphor of a bridge is really important because some folks, some career coaches, even, advise survival jobs.
And I just, to be honest, I don't like that term. I hope that you will do more than survive in your job. Right? And not every role is maybe going to be the perfect thing, but it should move you from one place to another. The idea of a bridge is that you go across it. You're not staying there forever and we're aiming higher than just surviving, right? We need to do more than that.
Let me ask you this, and maybe you can add this in the chat. Why would somebody take a bridge job? What are some reasons someone might need a bridge job?
Bills, bills, bills. Yup. That's a good way to put it. Financial support. Training for the next one. Avoid boredom and despair. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And I think what we're kind of seeing here too, is that we might all have different reasons, right?
So here are some possible reasons that I've identified. You might need to escape a toxic job or a draining job. It might be like, I don't know... I need the next position. I don't know exactly what that is, but I have to get away from where I am now. So if that's something extremely toxic, maybe it's an escape. But you still need it to take you somewhere. And it could be that a job is maybe a role that was okay in the past, but now feels draining. It seems to take all of your energy and you want to have your energy for other things in your life versus just that role. Maybe that's a good reason to look for a bridge job.
Second one. Oh, I don't know - maybe there was a global pandemic and you lost your job. You were laid off through no fault of your own. You were at a company you were planning to have a career with, and now you don't. Maybe you just need some things to bridge a gap. Totally legitimate. There's a lot of people in 2021 who are in that situation.
Sometimes it might even be to take a break from job hunting. I've had friends and clients who were trying so hard and were getting so exhausted by trying to find a similar role, after getting laid off and just weren't able to find a job that was similar in their same career path. And a bridge job allowed them to take a break because it does take a lot of energy to sell yourself, to apply, to interview, to tailor your resumes. All of those things take a ton of energy and maybe if there's a job that you know you can get, it might give you a break from job hunting.
Another reason is that maybe you can't do your dream job right now. For whatever reason that might be. You need some training, I'm trying to think of an example. Maybe you want to be a bookkeeper, but you need to take some courses. So you can't do that right now and you need some other work in the meantime while you're taking that training for example. Or again maybe in one year from now, maybe the economy will be a little bit different and the roles that you want might be more available to you. So, for whatever reason you can't do it right now, maybe you need a bridge.
And then the last one, which is perhaps the most obvious, like you need money right now. We have to do what we have to do. You have to pay your bills. You have to feed your family, you have to pay your rent. And you might have been unemployed long enough that you just need something now. And that's totally fine.
And I want you to know that there's no shame in needing a bridge job, okay? Probably, most of us, if not all of us have been in a situation where we have needed a bridge job, that's okay. That's totally okay. We all need to do what we need to do to cover our expenses and get where we need to go.
Moving on to the next question here, what do you think someone should look for in a bridge job?
Now I've identified two main things. If you're thinking about a bridge job, knowing that it's gonna move you somewhere, tell me in the chat if you have some ideas what might a person want to look for if they're considering a bridge job.
A job where you can gain transferable skills. Oh yeah. Yup. Learning opportunities. Yep. These are great. Somewhere with a good team and culture. Especially if you've escaped a toxic place, right? Or a draining place, you might need a place where just like people are nice. There might be something about that place that could be really helpful for you.
These are the two very simple things that I've identified what to look for in a bridge job, two things, decent money, number one, and that it leaves you time and energy to do whatever else you need to do. So your bridge job, ideally, needs to give you enough money so that you can keep moving forward.
Perhaps if you have been in a pandemic layoff situation, maybe you can't make quite the same salary, but hopefully, enough that you can keep moving forward and the time and energy to do what you need to do, again, to cross that bridge. So you might need time and energy to keep applying.
You might need time and energy to continue coursework or training that you're doing. You might need time and energy to relax and have fun and hang out with your family. Those are things that are important as well. So if you don't have those two things, I would say that's not really a bridge job.
And I used to say, if you don't have those two things, you're in a dead end job but I thought of the perfect metaphor last night. I was really excited about this. If you don't have those two things, I think it's like you'll be in a hamster wheel job where you're running and running and running and running and running and running and not getting anywhere. So hamsters are cute and everything, but we don't want you to be a hamster running and not going anywhere. So it's something to think about.
If you discover that maybe you are considering what might be a hamster wheel job or you're in a hamster wheel job, then think about, okay, what's the next little step that's going to be a bridge job that's actually going to take me somewhere, right? Again, the bridge is all about movement and moving you closer to where you need to go. Has anyone been in a hamster wheel job?
I think one of my jobs actually, now that I think about it, became a bridge job, but maybe it was originally a hamster wheel job.
A bridge job also can lead to a bridge job and that's also okay. Like some of you said, if you're gaining skills, if you have a great culture and environment, those things might get you closer to where you want to go, to the ideal workplace that you're looking for, as long as it's still moving you closer.
When thinking about a bridge job and those basics of decent money and a bit of time, what could a bridge job give you other than time and money? Any ideas on that? I'd like to hear your answers in the chat and it might, that might even be related to what some of you already said.
Someone said they had a hamster wheel job. Inspiration to pursue a career you hadn't considered. Ooh, I love that. Right. Maybe a bridge job can give you inspiration. Right? And that's also part of if you're able to escape a draining workplace and you're in a place where that's just a better culture for you, you might be able to nourish and cultivate your dreams. New industry knowledge. Absolutely. These are great answers.
Here are a couple of the ones that I've identified. A bridge job could give you a break from something difficult. Like I mentioned earlier, escaping a toxic workplace could give you something to focus on for now.
I've known clients who had gone through layoffs and accepted a role with a much lower salary. However, that was the right choice for them because of the weight of being unemployed. One particular client I have in mind, who was thinking, "I don't have a job. I don't have a job." That was so heavy for him, but for him, it was better to just start out in a bridge job. And then he's at least I'm going somewhere. At least I have momentum.
And this may depend on your financial situation, right? If you're the sole income earner in your family, if you have small children, maybe it helps you most to keep moving.
Notice that this is not like one rule for everyone. This is figuring out what are the specifics that are going to be right for you in choosing and taking on bridge jobs.
New skills. Somebody mentioned this, so getting some new skills. And new skills in a new environment, a new industry.
I had a client recently who landed a role in a new industry. She actually went from the private sector to the public sector. And it was a huge salary dip for her. And however, she knew that she probably wouldn't be able to make what she was before, but she decided through our conversations.
Yeah. She decided to look at it as education. This was education — about a new industry that she was getting paid for. So she could go learn something by taking a class and paying a university, but she was actually learning a lot. So that helped her sort of shift her thinking to be able to say, oh, I'm learning here. I'm learning about a new industry and that's why I'm here.
Another thing a bridge job could give you is, it could be an investor for your business. So if you're someone who has the business or maybe a side hustle idea, and you're thinking about how can I make this happen? Maybe you need a bit of money to pay your bills so that you can keep working on this idea and growing the business on the side before you're full fledged and ready to be in it full-time. Those were a few things a bridge job could give you.
Any ideas, I would love to hear this from you in the chat as well, you know, how long should a person stay in a bridge job? At least a year. Okay. And there's one idea, what else? Yeah, it could be a year. Could be a good time. Max two years? Okay. Yep.
I'm going to give you the annoying answer, which is true for a lot of things is, it depends, right? It really depends on you and your needs. It might depend on how toxic your last workplace was.
Getting PTSD from a job is a real thing. It happens, right? So sometimes people need a calm and quiet workplace as it's just really different from their last workplace to start to realize that maybe work is not such a terrible thing.
It might also depend on how much money you need to earn, right? If you need to earn some money again, as an investor for your business, do you need three years? Do you need five years? What does that look like for you? It also might depend on how much time you need to rest or prepare for your next thing.
You might start in a bridge job and just kind of sigh with relief at the end of the day. And you might need to take a few months to just only focus on getting the job done and that's it. And then you might have the energy to start applying for the career roles that you really want. So these are all going to depend on you and what you need.
Oh, when you're not being challenged anymore. That's a great question. I think it depends. It depends. Having challenges in your work is great, but if it's a bridge job, it may actually be okay if you're not challenged, because then you can use your mental energy towards whatever the other things you're working towards. Right?
Your bridge job specifics are going to be specific to you. And I've kind of hinted at this a few times where the bridge job that you have is not going to be the same as the bridge job I have. It's not all the same thing. Whereas sometimes when people talk about survival jobs, everyone thinks about working at Tim Horton's or Walmart or something that kind of goes to the lowest common denominator, but, maybe a bridge job for me might be, teaching an English as a second language class online, because I have that skill, I've done it in the past.
It's not really looking where I'm looking to go in the future, but you know, it's kind of like a past skill I could use. You have different skills than me, and there might be things that you can do that are pretty easy that you could do in a bridge job, but I won't be able to do those things in a bridge job. So don't think that you know, we all have to be like a Starbucks barista or anything.
Think about what are the specifics that might be right for you. And this would be a great time to just brainstorm in the chat as well. What are some specifics that you are going to need? What's a requirement that's to be really specific to you?
For example, it might be something like the location. Maybe you want to walk to work, or you at the very least don't want to commute for an hour. Maybe you want to make sure that you work virtually. These are really important things to think about if you have control over them. What's going to make a job work for me?
I'm curious if you have ideas for your bridge job. What would that look like for you? Let's get some brainstorming going in the chat.
When there's a vertical, horizontal growth in the organization. Okay. So, Lorraine, it looks like you want to make sure that there's, you're not necessarily just stuck somewhere, right? Maybe that it's that idea of a hamster wheel. So if you go somewhere, you can at least keep moving, even if it's a bridge job. Okay. That's great.
All right. Keep thinking about that. If you're not ready to share that kind of brainstorm in the chat, that's also okay. I'm going to move forward.
Shorter commute says Evelyn, open, transparent corporate culture. Yep. I'm guessing, Aggie that you have some experience with maybe challenges and culture in the past, and that's might be what you want to look for that in the future. Like to work virtually, but the most important thing is to have a change.
Focus from the world. Okay. Interesting. Aggie says, yes. Okay. So, biggest reasons not to take a bridge job, any ideas on this? Why would somebody not take a bridge job?
Now, maybe you've thought of this already. Oh, salary doesn't cover your expenses. Yep. That's true. Toxic culture, micromanager. Okay. So yeah, if you're looking at a potential job and you're like hmm, this is not going to help me. This is not going to put me further forward. Yeah. That would be a great reason not to take a position.
I would say one of the biggest reasons people don't want to take bridge jobs is because they fear what other people think. A lot of times we internalize or we might internalize what we think other people think. , but hopefully this language of calling it a bridge job can help you shift the language, shift the thinking about it really because it's not like, oh yeah, I'm doing this job. It's like, okay, I decided to take this role for these reasons, and I think I will be here. Maybe you have an idea of the time or not, or this is the best choice for me right now. Right? So hopefully even using that terminology of, yeah, this is a bridge job for me, right now, and it's going to help me figure out what my next step is.
Lorraine says as a recent graduate, you can resonate with a fear of what other people would think. Yeah, here's a tip: Most people aren't really judging your work choices that much anyway. But if you think of it as a bridge job and are able to explain it, that might also help you.
I'm going to share a bit about my bridge jobs, a couple of my bridge jobs. These were two very different jobs actually. But in 2009, my role ended unexpectedly. I had some drama in my personal life combined with the global economic decline at that time. And it led to me being in a job search and it was a tough time.
I was an ESL teacher at the time. So I was looking for ESL teacher jobs and admin jobs. And, financially I was not in a good situation and I wasn't finding what I wanted. so I was applying, applying, applying. I got a few interviews, but it wasn't happening for me. And I was pretty desperate, to be honest. So I ended up at Starbucks. And a couple of things led me there. Number one, it was really close to my house. So I knew it wasn't a big commute, wasn't a big deal.
I had worked at a Starbucks during one summer in university, I worked at one of the ones at the airport, so I knew all the drinks. I was pretty sure I could get that job at Starbucks, the training of how to make all those drinks and memorizing all of the recipes and that kind of thing is a big part of training. So I was like, okay, I know all that stuff already. And I loved Starbucks coffee. So that led me there. So I ended up at Starbucks and that was January of 2010.
So I landed there and I had a job, but it was tough. And I think at the very beginning, it was kind of, it was a hamster wheel in the sense that I was not doing well financially. So those tiny paychecks that came in went to pay for, you know, whatever credit card bill was coming up and those types of things.
And it was tough. Like, it was embarrassing, to be honest. Partly because I had gone from a role where I had my degree. I had certification, I needed these professional requirements. And I went to an entry-level minimum wage job where I was making $9 an hour at the time. So, that was really, it was hard on my pride.
It was hard on my bank account. However, it was also a fun environment and I kind of enjoyed it, there's the social aspect? There's the physical aspect of having 10 drinks come up and making them all really fast and leaving your work at work. When you go home, I didn't have any prep or anything to do after I left, unlike teaching.
And very quickly, things started to look up for me at Starbucks. Within a couple of months, I became a supervisor and I hadn't applied or anything. I think it was just like a manager was like, yeah, we think this is the right step for you. Everybody thinks this makes sense. So why don't you become a supervisor?
And so, I became a supervisor. I was probably a little bit older than a lot of the kids at Starbucks at the time. But, I became a supervisor and enjoyed that tiny little pay raise. And, and then following that, I became an assistant manager. And at that point, by the time I got to the assistant manager role, I was really owning it. I wasn't embarrassed to be there anymore. I had worked through some of the shame of that transition. And I was like, no, this is for me now. And now I'm proud of myself and I'm going to make this happen. And so I was really proud when I got the assistant manager role. And through that assistant manager role, we did training in hiring and recruitment.
And I learned about things like phone screening and interview skills and the star method. And so that was my first insight into hiring, which interestingly enough, led me to my next job, which was in recruitment.
I was at a couple of places in recruitment for a few years, which led me to career services, which led me to where I am now. So it's kind of strange to think that the Starbucks job, which at the beginning was desperate and embarrassing, has led me to where I am now.
And I actually didn't think about this. Yeah. I don't know if it was a week or two ago when I found this old resume that I was using to apply for in 2009 and realized, oh my goodness, like this bridge job, which maybe was even a desperation hamster wheel job at the beginning has taken me full circle. So it was nice to realize that things can work out even if they start in a challenging way like they can and do get better.
The other role I had was my most recent full-time job and I ended up there. I had been in recruitment and it wasn't feeling quite right anymore. And I landed in this position, and it was kind of cool because it combined teaching English as a second language and a career center for French speakers. So it combined my past ESL teaching skills and then I knew I could use my former recruitment skills to help job seekers. So I was really excited about that, about moving from helping the company's hiring, to helping the people who are job seeking. And so I was super excited to find this role because I was trying to escape the job I was in and so super excited to make this move.
And it was great. It felt really awesome to be working directly with job seekers and using my ESL teaching skills again. And I had great colleagues and it was a really good environment. And then about six months in, I realized I was bored. And this was really irritating too, because, I thought I had thought previously, this was THE job.
This was like, finally I found somebody that used all of my previous skills together. Like there's not a lot of jobs out there like this so it was really annoying to realize that, once I was six months in, I knew what the role was and it really wasn't gonna change too much. There wasn't going to be room for me to grow and progress in that particular group.
And eventually, I did find ways to challenge myself and to take on new things, but what that role really allowed me to do was to build my dream of starting a business. Because I had actually been thinking about starting a business since 2013. And I landed in this position In 2015. But it took me a long time to make it happen.
And so, my teacher role really gave me the stability to nourish those dreams. I think somebody else mentioned this earlier, how you might need it to just kind of take care of yourself so that you can be inspired to think about something new.
And it really did that for me. Now that role at the beginning, I didn't think it was a bridge job and there were some times where I really wanted to be, you know, working in my business. And I was thinking about like, I need a bridge job. I gotta, I gotta get out of here. I need a bridge job. And then I thought about it.
This IS the bridge job. This is the bridge job. Cause I know that going to a new position really takes a lot of energy in, you know, applying, interviewing, adjusting to a new workplace, making sure you're meeting all the requirements, all of those things. So, it was just helpful because there wasn't a lot of stress.
The salary was good. I should say there's almost no stress. I didn't take work home with me, right? On my mind. I had great vacation time. I could do this job without putting a ton of mental energy into it, and it allowed me to pay off some debt and it allowed me to hire a business coach and pay for my life coaching certification program.
So in that way, that job became my investor for the business that I eventually started in 2019. So I had these two bridge jobs and they serve very different purposes for me. I think they both caused me irritation because I knew neither of them were the places I was gonna stay forever.
But they helped me get to where I needed to be. So that's the long story of my bridge jobs. I just want you to know that a bridge job can be a really important step in creating your intentional career. Even if at the beginning it might feel frustrating.
It might feel irritating. Maybe it doesn't make sense to people around you, but it can really be an important step. Maybe you're going to see the steps later. If you can, as much as possible, think about what those steps mean for you, that's going to be really helpful in choosing the right bridge job for you versus getting on a hamster wheel.
So a couple of questions to consider, if you're looking for a bridge job, think about what are the specifics that are going to be important to you, right? Is it going to be virtual work? Is it the location and commuting and those types of things? Is it the work culture? Is it a specific salary that you need to make, a certain amount per hour or per year and you can't go below that, right?
And if you're unhappy in your job right now, does it help you to think of it as a bridge job? I know for me, it did. To say, okay, even if sometimes, it feels uncomfortable or this role isn't quite the right thing for me, I know that it's serving a purpose and it's temporary and it's taking me somewhere.
If this is bringing up a lot, questions in your mind, and you would like to have a further conversation, you can always reach out to me. My website is flowing fire.com. there's a big blue button in the top right corner. And you can schedule a call to have a conversation about that. If that's something you would be interested in exploring.
Now, let's go to questions. I would love to hear your questions about bridge jobs or how they fit into your career.
What motivated me to do my bridge job? Deepak asks.
The first one, Starbucks, was mainly needing money. Now that was the main one I needed money. And then it became a path, in the most recent teaching job, which I was in for almost five years. That one was, that was also to escape a previous job, like a previous job. It just, it was good. It was like, there were so many good things about it, but it just wasn't feeling quite right. And I needed to do something else. Actually, I wanted to work more one-on-one directly and help job seekers. And so that was my motivation, for the second one.
Yeah. Other questions. What is one piece of advice that I always give to job seekers? Oh gosh, I don't know if there is one piece of advice that I always get to job seekers.
Here's one that I almost always give is this: when you are applying for a position, think about the problem that the employer has and how you can solve the problem as a job seeker. Because anytime there's an open position, it basically means there's a business problem. And they need someone, they needed to hire someone to come in and solve the problem. So as you were applying, don't think of it as just, I need a job, but think of it as you are coming to help this organization solve a particular problem. And if you look at their job posting, the language, it'll give you an idea of what the problems are.
Even if we go back to the Starbucks example, if you were to like, be a barista at Starbucks, customers that have to wait and really long lines and are not being served- that's a problem. Right? So giving great customer service, working fast, that's solving problems, right? Taking care of customer needs. Those are problems that can be solved by having a great employee there. So that's a piece of advice that I pretty much always give to people. It's a little bit of a shift in thinking and being proactive when you were applying. So it's not just about, can you please hire me, but what can I do to help this company be successful.
Any other questions? Oh, how do I tone down my resume application for a bridge job where I may be overqualified so I still look competent enough to do the bridge job? Oh, that's a great question, Sean.
Tone down? Now… There's part of me that wants to say, you don't have to turn yourself down if you don't have to hide. I think it's less about toning down, but more about highlighting that you understand what needs to happen in this role and that you can do it right. I like to, at the top of a resume, put a value proposition and something that directly states how you're going to help that company.
So again, I'm just using the Starbucks example. If you were applying for a job at Starbucks, you would talk about customer service, about being fast, about learning quickly. Showing them that you have the qualities that will help you succeed in that job. So you might talk about skills and abilities that relate to what is needed in that position because ultimately that's what they need to know.
So you're looking at the job posting and going, okay, what they need is someone who does these three things, and I can do those three things and I'm going to tell them so in the resume or in the cover letter. And, I would highlight those things in your cover letter or in the top half of your resume, does that make sense?
So you can still show that you have previous experience that might make you overqualified, but show them that you understand what they're looking for, right? Again, you're solving that problem. Because really somebody who gets what the job is about is really a relief to an employer.
Evelyn says, reframe from overqualified to fully qualified. Yeah. Or it might be that like, are you overqualified for that job or is that you actually have different skills and qualifications. If you're looking at a different area, are you really overqualified or is it that you need different skills? You probably need to highlight different skills in order to do that role successfully. If that makes sense.
Well, I'm glad it was useful and helpful. I hope that you all found this useful. Thank you for being here today. I'm really grateful that you could be here.
I hope this helps you shift your thinking. Even if your next step is small, that's okay. If it's going in the right direction, that's what's important for you. And If other people are questioning what you're doing, saying, Hey, this is a bridge. This is a bridge job and it's going to get me where I need to go. And this is what I need right now. So, I'm going to send you all a thank you email and a very small questionnaire. and if you need to find me, I am at flowandfire.com.
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